Comments on: The Chastity Talk, Applied to Marriage http://vsom.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/the-chastity-talk-applied-to-marriage/ Some Mormons, some former Mormons, and some in between discuss whatever they feel like in the Mormon realm. They try to keep judgementalism at a minimum. Tue, 12 May 2009 19:39:16 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Vokedelogor http://vsom.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/the-chastity-talk-applied-to-marriage/#comment-2639 Vokedelogor Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:22:23 +0000 http://vsom.wordpress.com/?p=197#comment-2639 jff , <a href="http://www.vimeo.com/buy1hydrocodone#1" rel="nofollow"> hydrocodone order</a>, <a href="http://www.vimeo.com/buy1adipex#1" rel="nofollow"> adipex</a>, <a href="http://www.vimeo.com/buy1ambien#1" rel="nofollow"> buy ambien</a>, <a href="http://www.vimeo.com/buy1ativan#1" rel="nofollow"> ativan cheap</a>, <a href="http://www.vimeo.com/buy1ephedra#1" rel="nofollow"> ephedra diet pill</a>, <a href="http://www.vimeo.com/buy1xanax#1" rel="nofollow"> buy xanax</a>, <a href="http://www.vimeo.com/buy1alprazolam#1" rel="nofollow"> alprazolam online</a>, jff ,
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]]> By: mullingandmusing http://vsom.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/the-chastity-talk-applied-to-marriage/#comment-2552 mullingandmusing Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:23:46 +0000 http://vsom.wordpress.com/?p=197#comment-2552 One other point I wanted to make in the post but didn't because it was too late relates to the principle of self-control. The talk that BiV linked to addressed this. Of course, this principle applies before marriage, but I believe there are times in a marriage when self-control is needed - after childbirth, for example, or when there is illness (or chronic illness - I think of two women in my ward who have had severe chronic illness for years and imagine that it has been difficult on their husbands, but they are husbands who serve and care for their wives in love and unselfishness -- of course, I don't know the details of their lives, but I would suspect that great unselfishness must have to exist given the challenges their wives face), or other struggles. Again, sex is not simply a need to be filled at any cost, nor an entitlement. It is a joint venture, if you will, and needs to be approached with BOTH partners in mind. One other point I wanted to make in the post but didn’t because it was too late relates to the principle of self-control. The talk that BiV linked to addressed this. Of course, this principle applies before marriage, but I believe there are times in a marriage when self-control is needed – after childbirth, for example, or when there is illness (or chronic illness – I think of two women in my ward who have had severe chronic illness for years and imagine that it has been difficult on their husbands, but they are husbands who serve and care for their wives in love and unselfishness — of course, I don’t know the details of their lives, but I would suspect that great unselfishness must have to exist given the challenges their wives face), or other struggles. Again, sex is not simply a need to be filled at any cost, nor an entitlement. It is a joint venture, if you will, and needs to be approached with BOTH partners in mind.

]]> By: mullingandmusing http://vsom.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/the-chastity-talk-applied-to-marriage/#comment-2551 mullingandmusing Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:14:11 +0000 http://vsom.wordpress.com/?p=197#comment-2551 Michael, I made an edit so that my post was consistent with our doctrine, which is that part of what it means to keep sex sacred is to keep it between man and woman who are married. I don't mean to be insensitive or unkind, but that is the doctrine, and this post was meant to be built upon that doctrine. There are many other words that can describe what sex is. Sacred is just one of them, but I do believe that is an important one. Part of what makes this sacred is the potential and power to create. Infertility does not negate this sacred aspect in principle, but gay sex in no way can fulfill this sacred purpose of sexual relationships. That said, howller, if you have found value with what has been said here, then that's a good thing, I suppose, even if I disagree with much of what you have said. But comparing marital sexual intimacy to dogs copulating is exactly the kind of attitude that this post seeks to get off the table. Sex is NOT simply copulation. Michael, I made an edit so that my post was consistent with our doctrine, which is that part of what it means to keep sex sacred is to keep it between man and woman who are married. I don’t mean to be insensitive or unkind, but that is the doctrine, and this post was meant to be built upon that doctrine. There are many other words that can describe what sex is. Sacred is just one of them, but I do believe that is an important one. Part of what makes this sacred is the potential and power to create. Infertility does not negate this sacred aspect in principle, but gay sex in no way can fulfill this sacred purpose of sexual relationships.

That said, howller, if you have found value with what has been said here, then that’s a good thing, I suppose, even if I disagree with much of what you have said.

But comparing marital sexual intimacy to dogs copulating is exactly the kind of attitude that this post seeks to get off the table. Sex is NOT simply copulation.

]]> By: howller http://vsom.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/the-chastity-talk-applied-to-marriage/#comment-2550 howller Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:57:28 +0000 http://vsom.wordpress.com/?p=197#comment-2550 I do not want to divert the thread into a discussion of gay rights or worse, gay marriage, but rather to add my perspective that the "sex-is-sacred" concept is sometimes misused or misapplied in a condescending and irrational way. We exclude non-believers from entering the temple because it is sacred, yet we permit atheists to enter the sacred institution of marriage. We protest homosexual activity because sex is sacred, yet we permit dogs to copulate, sometimes in public even. I believe that this post places the sacred aspect of human sexuality in the correct setting. As a gay man who has been in a same-sex relationship for more than 20 years, these principles certainly ring true to me. I do not want to divert the thread into a discussion of gay rights or worse, gay marriage, but rather to add my perspective that the “sex-is-sacred” concept is sometimes misused or misapplied in a condescending and irrational way. We exclude non-believers from entering the temple because it is sacred, yet we permit atheists to enter the sacred institution of marriage. We protest homosexual activity because sex is sacred, yet we permit dogs to copulate, sometimes in public even.

I believe that this post places the sacred aspect of human sexuality in the correct setting. As a gay man who has been in a same-sex relationship for more than 20 years, these principles certainly ring true to me.

]]> By: cheryl http://vsom.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/the-chastity-talk-applied-to-marriage/#comment-2549 cheryl Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:46:24 +0000 http://vsom.wordpress.com/?p=197#comment-2549 What a great post! Thank you. What a great post! Thank you.

]]> By: Michael http://vsom.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/the-chastity-talk-applied-to-marriage/#comment-2548 Michael Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:37:55 +0000 http://vsom.wordpress.com/?p=197#comment-2548 So where does gay love and intimacy fit into this? Execpt for the procreation part, I see no difference between same sex love and opposite sex love. So where does gay love and intimacy fit into this? Execpt for the procreation part, I see no difference between same sex love and opposite sex love.

]]> By: SilverRain http://vsom.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/the-chastity-talk-applied-to-marriage/#comment-2546 SilverRain Fri, 01 Feb 2008 11:23:33 +0000 http://vsom.wordpress.com/?p=197#comment-2546 This is wonderful, m&m - and spot-on, I think. Thank you. This is wonderful, m&m – and spot-on, I think.
Thank you.

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